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Wednesday
Sep192012

Guns don't kill people

.. it tends to be the bullets.

Enough of that, I am not wanting to make light of anything, and the killing of the two officers of the GMP this week is still shocking the nation, and quite what sick and perverted plan Dale Cregan had in mind by luring police to him I doubt we will ever know or understand. Whatever misgivings there are about the honesty and accountability of many in the police we have (Hillsborough / Tomlinson) two officers attending a burglary call do not and should not expect to be shot, and all sympathies are extended to their families and friends.

This clearly ignites as usual the "should all police be armed" debate, which as always is a pointless argument, as much as having a death penalty stops murder happening. If police having guns and death penalties stopped crime what would American TV series be about...

On the more serious note, I think many people in the UK are being naive about how many armed police we already have on our streets, and the argument about arming the police was won by the "yes" camp a long time ago. Been to an airport recently, did anything about the policemen wandering about with machine guns strike you as a bit odd for a British Bobby? Popped into an inner city area with gang activity at all, you can't have missed the armed police there. 

In the (thankfully) very few occasions when areas I am in have had gun crime the armed response units have been there in minutes. I live in a market town in the home counties, for armed police to be there in minutes mean they do too.

During the riots last summer there was a lot of hand wringing about using plastic bullets on the streets, which when you look back at the original spark of them when the police shot Mark Duggan with live bullets seems a quaint argument that could only happen in Britain. 

Last year more US police were shot than died in car crashes, 68 shot, the first time in 14 years that shootings were the top cause of death. So a country with death penalties and armed police showing exactly how that works out there - badly. It is very hard to get up to date reliable figures, but this page from 2007 is interesting reading.
Criminals and bad people will use guns and kill people, the police having guns will not stop that, but it will make the criminals have better guns. 

There are enough guns on the streets of the UK, we don't need any more, the police should not be armed as standard practice

Reader Comments (3)

Good blog again mate, Also the Police dont want it, My dad is a retired cooper and he was so proud that he wasnt armed and never wanted to be.

September 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKyle Jacobs / @kyletj1

the other point against the argument is how would those two WPCs having a gun each have stopped them getting shot? They were lured into a situation where they wouldn't have thought they needed their guns and even if they did the likelihood is they would've been shot before they could've done anything. The only result would've been other armed police coming to the scene and shooting the perpetrator which in my eyes means he wouldn't see justice.

Plus, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way to most of the police force, but the thought of some people, wearing a badge or not, walking the streets with a gun scares the balls off me.

September 20, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterdrwinston001

To me the only outcome of the police having more guns is more people getting shot.
There is no other possible end, whether it is the "right" people getting shot would get lost in statistics, but there would be more shooting deaths in total.

September 21, 2012 | Registered CommenterSimon Jones

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